Blizzard favors Horde too much. World of HORDECraft

[Zvezdichko]

Should we even be taking the piece of crap that is WoW's storyline, seriously?

I guess yes. Why play WoW (and why roleplay) if you don't care?

[Shane]

Should we even be taking the piece of crap that is WoW's storyline seriously?

I guess yes. Why play WoW (and why roleplay) if you don't care?

Yes, I still play WoW (and rp) even though I find it's background story rubbish simply because I like rp, no other reason. Had this server been hosting some other game I would still be here. See, in roleplay you have no role in the main storyline where you basically do your own thing. How many doppelgangers the Aliiance's leader has or how many children Thrall saves in a day is of no concern to the characters that you rp with unless you wish otherwise. To say the truth, I have almost no knowledge of the lore other than what I came to know from the books and OOC chatting from people here, I am able to rp well enough with that.

I am not asking you to stop caring about the story only that you try not taking it seriously just as the people before me have suggested. WoW's lore has not been written to give the world a worthy piece of literature but a setting and characters that people would want to like (kind of like those Twilight books). And that is why I think it isn't worth your time to be worrying why Blizz's is favoring the Horde (maybe because it is more popular?) or debating about which faction is the good one.

[sunday12321]

"Horde quests you have the "For the Horde feeling", "
Well, first you need to look at the psychology behind the two factions. The horde is much more united than the Alliance by lore, but the Alliance are considered more sophisticated [sorry if I spelled that wrong]. The Horde was united before, back when it consisted solely of the enemies of Azeroth, the Burning Legion. New additions to the Horde, being the Forsaken and Blood Elves, are united with the orcs, with their dislike to the arrogant Human race. But if you take a closer look, you find that no Faction is overpowered by lore.
Horde goes into Martial Law, thanks to Garrosh.
The Blood Elven and the Forsaken are considered united, and abit seperate from the rest of the Horde, who they see as brutes, due to their pasts as Humans and High Elves, proud members of the alliance.
You can also look at the Alliance. Back at the day, it consisted of the Dwarves, the Gnomes, brethren in their mountainous area, who allied with the Humans, who controlled most of Azeroth, and with the High Elven, who traded magic for assistance in combat against the trolls.
The Orcs, who were defeated by the alliance too many times [3 great wars.]
allied with the even more ancient enemies of the Humans, the Trolls [see Azotha], and the Tauren, who were convinced against the Alliance, because they loved nature, and the Alliance destroy it.
The Night Elves are on very thin ice with the Alliance, seeing that they are -still- xenophobic, even though they accepted assistance when they could see they needed it [see Hyjal and Tyrande accepting Magic into their culture].

After so many games in the Warcraft Series that favor the Alliance, don't you think the Horde, guided by the legendary son of Hellscream, who liberated with Thrall the entire horde, should be given a chance to get some too?
Let alone the fact that the tensions between Hellscream and Sylvannas will likely end up with the creation of a third faction, which was attempted before on our beloved server, and sadly was deleted from our lore in the last reset [See Sin'Sholai - The Blood Pact], which will ravage brutally against the northern parts of the Eastern Kingdom, which will probably turn into another Elven War, with the Kaldorei assisting the Alliance, and Garrosh likely backstabbing Sylvannas himself.
So yes, the Horde seems to be winning this round, but Alliance always won before. So it is rather fair.

Just my opinion.

EDIT: Also, the wow lore isn't too well based, I admit. But it has it's nice points here and there.
And the lore itself, meaning the events, are not as stupid as they seem. Just the explanations behind them.

[Zvezdichko]

Yes, I still play WoW (and rp) even though I find it's background story rubbish simply because I like rp, no other reason. Had this server been hosting some other game I would still be here. See, in roleplay you have no role in the main storyline where you basically do your own thing. How many doppelgangers the Aliiance's leader has or how many children Thrall saves in a day is of no concern to the characters that you rp with unless you wish otherwise. To say the truth, I have almost no knowledge of the lore other than what I came to know from the books and OOC chatting from people here, I am able to rp well enough with that.

I am not asking you to stop caring about the story only that you try not taking it seriously just as the people before me have suggested. WoW's lore has not been written to give the world a worthy piece of literature but a setting and characters that people would want to like (kind of like those Twilight books). And that is why I think it isn't worth your time to be worrying why Blizz's is favoring the Horde (maybe because it is more popular?) or debating about which faction is the good one.

I'm not sure I'll agree with you on the literature point. I, for example, have been taught at school that Shakespeare and Pushkin are geniuses. But if I take a book of Shakespeare, I won't like it. I would think it's overpraised. And I will go even further and say that the great poets are thought to be geniuses not due to their merits but rather to the literature critics who claim they are geniuses.

A worthy piece of literature is what is being liked by the majority of the population. Thus I claim that Twilight and Warcraft book are good.

Debating which faction is a better one may look silly at times, but it indeed adds to the atmospher.

For what I've seen on other servers (especially PVP servers) is that the Alliance are being mocked by everyone. Including by their own players. Two days ago I played on a PVP server Eye of the storm lvl60-69 as an Alliance player. We lost, of course. And it happens on almost everyone other existing PVP server. Hordes are more organised. The Alliance are the weak faction.

I don't know how Cataclysm is going to change that. Especially if what I've heard is true - that on Blizzcons Blizzard developers openly proclaim "For the Horde!" and you'll never hear "For the Alliance".

By the way I see a sharp contrast between some Warcraft books and the in-game experience. Come on, we know that most of the Warcraft heroes have been humans. The books portray Sir Anduin Lothar as a great hero. Lord Uther indeed is a great Alliance hero. Paladins do value honor. Let's take, for example, Uther's words (to Arthas): "Where is the weapon we gave to you? A weapon of honor". Turalyon is indeed a good paladin whose eyes emitted Holy light during the mission in Azeroth. Even in Wow there were some good heroes. Tirion Fordring, of course. And Darion and Alexandros Mograine. Even Thassarian is a better made character than Koltira.

I would ask : where are the greatest Horde heroes? I mean - except Thrall and maybe Grom? The only Horde hero except Thrall who I really really really loved was Broxigar Saurfang. After finishing the War of the Ancients trilogy I could say - I loved Brox more than Malfurion, more than Rhonin and more than Krassus.

Despite this people obviously like Horde more, are better organised but I've yet to hear a sound argument from Hardcore PVPers why they prefer Horde... Except for that "We are the bad guys", "I love Sylvanas becaus it's eeevil" etc etc etc.

[Kage]

The past is important in WoW lore, yes. But why stick with the new patches? Why stick with the new lore that they keep sending out? Why not make up what happens next in our way, not Blizzards? I say that we, the ones that are not part of the massive group playing retail, should continue with our own lore, creating our own wars, our own hero's, and our own villans.

[Zvezdichko]

I disagree... It's World of Warcraft and the game has been developed by Blizzard. If we start doing own own lore with own wars, this wouldn't be World of Warcraft.

Just an opinion of mine. I'm not saying I won't participate in events like the Sin'Sholei. I just won't treat them as genuine.

[Kage]

But we are not blizzard, and frankly they don't like private servers anyway. Why continue going with people that don't even like you?

[Kage]

It's just my opinion, but Blizzard doesn't want private servers to get anymore patches and expansions, which, at least the expansions are, what allows current lore to go about. If we ware not retail or part of Blizzard itself, why continue to follow they're lore and not create our own. I'm not saying disregard all of it, but change it to our own.

Deathwing comes around and the world goes chaotic. Don't you think there will be individuals or groups that will use this to there advantage? And what if theres just the opposite of that, massive groups trying to create peace to survive.

[Zvezdichko]

The situation with the private servers is... grim indeed as the random opcode issue has caused havoc and even Trinity core has announced they won't support Cataclysm servers.

This however doesn't mean there won't be any catalysm servers around. As I already said I play on Cata alpha private server (with WOTLK char database). As soon as Cataclysm gets released officialy there will be private servers. They may not be good and stable for the next one-two year, but we will have some. But hey - we only got stable WOTLK servers only recently, so...

For me the private servers trouble with the upcoming expansion isn't an issue that should prevent us from sticking up to the lore. Not an excuse.

[Kage]

Alright, I'll give you that much. But to say that we have to stick with the lore while we have all these people that can actually make there own is a bit off. And by making there own, I meen they can continue off WOTLK lore and make it up as they go. They change it without thinking about it. To stick directly to Cata lore takes away a lot of great idea's because of the fact that they can go against the lore.

Everything anyone does while they RP can change current lore, and with that slight change, future event's can change slightly as well. It's a simple chain reaction. If an undead group were to kill off a troll group, for example, the reaction could be as simple as the trolls just killing the group, or in a more drastic way, the troll's declare war on the undead. Now I doubt this would happen, but if something like this did, you can't just ignore it. Now yes this doesn't go against Cata lore, seeming as though the Undead have been rather excluded, but lets replace it with dwarfs and humans. That goes completely against Cata lore, but you can't just ignore what happened.

[Miah]

Guess im the only one who likes the lore then? :P

[Wuvvums]

It's just my opinion, but Blizzard doesn't want private servers to get anymore patches and expansions, which, at least the expansions are, what allows current lore to go about. If we ware not retail or part of Blizzard itself, why continue to follow they're lore and not create our own. I'm not saying disregard all of it, but change it to our own.

Note: This might be because they wanted to build hype for Cataclysm. Once Cataclysm is out and enough people tried it and it's seen as a normal thing I think they wouldn't try to shut down every server that steps into Cataclysm. It's just right now they want to keep people excited and the private servers take away from that.

[Kage]

I like it, I just don't think we should HAVE to stick to it. Just change it around a bit and add our own major events.

And yes, I do get that, more money to Blizzard.

[Xigo]

This server does its very best to stick to the Blizzard lore.

If that is not what you want, there are other RP servers where they muddle with the lore how they please.

That should be the end of this discussion.

[Zvezdichko]

I agree, Xigo. But I think I get the KageAcuma's point.

He says that we constantly interacts with the game world. For example... if we sends dozens of paladins to Southshore now, on this server to defend the town from the Undead, this will certainly change the storyline.