Priest-Necromancers?

[Harmonic]

I posted because I felt that it's getting re-hashed and doesn't actually do much other than garner opinions rather than actual facts on the matter... and makes things more confusing than they need to be. I posted my feeling on the matter, because if this is indeed a discussion, then I'm discussing my opinions on this as a whole...

It's debated on a weekly basis, and to me it seems to confuse people more than actually provide a guideline. It's in my opinion... -asking- to become fanon. While that's great and all, I've gotten the impression that CoTH wants to glance away from people using "whatever I can try to make work" and actually have them provide references when they try to do things out of the norm... like a necromancer priest.

This topic seems to be rehashing the debate of "Holy vs. Shadow" or "Light vs. Dark", a subject I'd honestly like to see die because if I'm not mistaken it's already been elaborated on by Grakor. At this point, it feels like it's starting to niggle every aspect.

No, I don't think it should be possible. Why? Because of everything Grak said in his post on the matter last week... or a couple weeks ago.

I'm getting confused based on this, Vee... what's intimidating is how the player base reacts to everything, because these topics to me reek of opinions that can be taken to some aggressive measure if someone disagrees with you... as you seem to have when I posted my opinion, in a veiled attempt to call me a troll by stating "I can't see why you posted aside from telling us we're somehow bad."

I guess I should clarify, I don't think any of you are bad... I just think this topic has been answered and now people are just trying to goad every little aspect, which can be intimidating to think I'm going to be roleplaying with people who will look at me with such discerning (or even dismissive) eyes.

[Roxas65]

Yes, in fact it does have an effect on my RP and everybody else's as well. I can't count the amount of time I've watched somebody do something followed by another guy saying "You can't do that" followed by him answering "oh really? We discussed it and came to the conclusion that it's perfectly viable" followed by a discussion that totally breaks the RP and sometimes even causes drama. That's what I mean with a server where everybody has a different opinion on how something works.

Some of these threads aren't so bad, but like Rensin said, we're basically having them on a weekly basis.

[Sol]

If you want to see the topic die, it's probably best to just ignore the threads discussing the topic. If there's an inconclusive possibility in lore that intrigues someone, they're going to think about it, and as Piken did, chances are they're going to ask for opinions on it, and so develop these arguments.

In no way, shape or form did anyone in this thread try to tell people what their characters can and can't do, at least not in a manner that will directly spring up in an argument that stems from an ongoing RP. It was just people discussing the dubious possibility of priests being a potential base origin class for necromancer characters, just as mages and warlocks presently are. While this might have affected RP possibilities in the future (if it as decided that yes, priests could access necromancy), I don't feel simply having this discussion on the forums would have had any negative impact on anyone's RP.

The current policy on the issue is that priests cannot access necromancy, and that was basically the statement the thread's argument decisively concluded on. Now the discussion's been had, and the involved parties seem satisfied with the result, I don't think there's much to be gained by coming to the thread a day later and asking whether it's even worth discussing these aspects of lore to begin with.

It never hurts to talk about these things, and it's better they're said now rather than if somebody who's already been playing a priest-necromancer gets told they can't quite abruptly.

[Zhaei]

I posted because I felt that it's getting re-hashed and doesn't actually do much other than garner opinions rather than actual facts on the matter... and makes things more confusing than they need to be. I posted my feeling on the matter, because if this is indeed a discussion, then I'm discussing my opinions on this as a whole...

But why did this warrant a post? We were discussing the topic at hand (which had already come to a close) not our opinions on discussing things. There's no obligation to read or take part in this, and nothing from here is being accepted as canon.

It's debated on a weekly basis, and to me it seems to confuse people more than actually provide a guideline. It's in my opinion... -asking- to become fanon. While that's great and all, I've gotten the impression that CoTH wants to glance away from people using "whatever I can try to make work" and actually have them provide references when they try to do things out of the norm... like a necromancer priest.

Again, debating something doesn't mean it magically becomes canon.

I'm getting confused based on this, Vee... what's intimidating is how the player base reacts to everything, because these topics to me reek of opinions that can be taken to some aggressive measure if someone disagrees with you... as you seem to have when I posted my opinion, in a veiled attempt to call me a troll by stating "I can't see why you posted aside from telling us we're somehow bad."

Saying that having regular discussions about the game we all play is a bad thing is not the way to prevent aggressive reactions, that's entirely down to the person at hand. Are you seriously trying to say we shouldn't voice our opinions because people might disagree?
And, it wasn't veiled at all. That's what I believe, so I said it. Not that I called you a Troll. Troll isn't a word that's interchangeable with a random swear word.[

es, in fact it does have an effect on my RP and everybody else's as well. I can't count the amount of time I've watched somebody do something followed by another guy saying "You can't do that" followed by him answering "oh really? We discussed it and came to the conclusion that it's perfectly viable"

That happens a lot to all of us, but stopping these discussions won't change a thing. People still come to a conclusion on something, and honestly these discussions help stop that because there's usually a final word agreed on. Such as here, where priests can't become Necromancers.

[Harmonic]

If you want to see the topic die, it's probably best to just ignore the threads discussing the topic. If there's an inconclusive possibility in lore that intrigues someone, they're going to think about it, and as Piken did, chances are they're going to ask for opinions on it, and so develop these arguments.

In no way, shape or form did anyone in this thread try to tell people what their characters can and can't do, at least not in a manner that will directly spring up in an argument that stems from an ongoing RP. It was just people discussing the dubious possibility of priests being a potential base origin class for necromancer characters, just as mages and warlocks presently are. While this might have affected RP possibilities in the future (if it as decided that yes, priests could access necromancy), I don't feel simply having this discussion on the forums would have had any negative impact on anyone's RP.

The current policy on the issue is that priests cannot access necromancy, and that was basically the statement the thread's argument decisively concluded on. Now the discussion's been had, and the involved parties seem satisfied with the result, I don't think there's much to be gained by coming to the thread a day later and asking whether it's even worth discussing these aspects of lore to begin with.

I was under the impression that the topic was still being discussed. I understand the intentions of the post here (and I don't think Piken would really -care- if I disagreed with him, we've been known to do so with eachother for years, heh), but I also don't think it's fair for people to say this junk to me either. So, I can't say "I don't think these topics are as helpful as people think"? Even if it's the day after, so what? I'm glad it was resolved, however, I think we should probably focus more on what we can do rather than trying to come up with the bajillion "OH CAN WE DO THIS" topics.

As has been stated in this thread... it's been resolved, yes? Good deal, I hope that if it crops up again, it's resolved as quickly, because like I've said it's sort of bothersome that they keep cropping up when it's basically the same topic asked a different way.

Sorry Piken, love you bro, you know I don't have hard feelings when talking on this matter.


Edit: Vee, I think you're getting a little bit too hostile with me over -nothing-. I gave my opinion, and I'm -really- sorry I did, because honestly I did not expect there to be such major backlash over something that's -really- not that big of a deal.

But, have at it, as has been stated, the discussion is over and I was not aware of that because there was nothing saying "This thread is done now!"

And also, vee, someone that posts simply to get a rise out of people, which is almost -verbatim- what you just said to me -is- by definition a troll. I took offense because it's something you intended to offend me with... which seems to be your prerogative at the moment. Well, I'll stop my fingers from typing, because honestly, I don't want to go that route with people, heh.


Edit2: People do know that I'm like, super laid back, right? I think everyone is reading my posts in a deep burly mean voice rather than reading it in my actual voice... I'm not trying to be mean, I'm honestly trying to contribute my own thoughts on the matter, and while I understand it seems to conflict to others opinions... I didn't expect the aggression from people.

[Roxas65]

I'm not sure why I even posted in this topic, since I promised myself I wouldn't involve myself in these kinds of topics because each time I do it pisses me off to a degree and breaks down what should be a fun passtime into what looks like a political debate.

So I'm just going to back out now, despite having more things to say. Not just to let this discussion die but to spare myself from yet another cothpolitics rumble and, hopefully, the next time I will have enough sense to not involve myself at all.

I'm just going to end with saying that I also agree with Rensin there, Vee. If this was such a friendly discussion done for the -fun- of it, then why get so worked up about mine and Rensin's posts. None of us meant any harm towards anybody.

And that's it. I'm out.

[CappnRob]

... there really was no debate.

We were just throwing out some lore that might support priest necromancers to see if it'd float.

It didn't float.

We're ok with that. Noone is kicking and screaming. We're just talking about ideas. S'fun to get creative.

I'm not worked up by anyones posts. Everyone chill out

[Harmonic]

I'm tellin' ya, people should literally hear how I actually talk. I -may- push into "snarky", but seldom am I condescending or mean.

Unless it's to Cressy. :B

[c0rzilla]

Haz an on-topic kitten to brighten your day.

[Roxas65]

Same here. I just want to make it clear that I rarely fly off the handle during these conversations, and that one of the things I have learned here on coth is to always stay chill. Heh, actually one of my better features.

So if that's out of the way now, let's just let this thread go wherever threads go when they die.

[Rosencrat]

I think we've touched everything that we need to touch on this topic. We've reached a consensus on the original post and this secondary debate is only kicking up the ire of everyone involved.

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