What happened to that "Lawless City" idea?

[Uthaniel]

Death of course would be a problem, but the occasional bar fight would be excellent! There isn't really any type of fight better then trusting a drunken bar fight in the middle of a Tavern, fighting over tables and chairs, getting random people involved accidentally and all of a sudden, bar warfare! The Goblins would even bet on who'd win until something is broken, then they'd swarm.

I find it interesting that a lot of people complain about the lack of barfights in booty bay, when nobody actually -makes- one. As in, nobody actually ever bothered starting a fight with fists because they're scared of the OOC assumption a GM will come in and kill their character.
If you're in a bar and you start brawling, you'll be kicked out of the bar. That's only natural.
But all fights I've seen happen in BB bars are people -drawing weaponry- and -threatening each other to death- which GMs are then more than justified to intervene (in some cases, players actually fighting and even attacking the bruisers. Hey, their funeral, but it happened before.) Here's my point.

If you want an actual "silent assasination" in BB or a hit and run sort of thing, get OOC agreement, and have IC planning out. An assassin character would study booty bay for weeks and plan an escape route that would make the bruisers have a hard time tracking them, perhaps discuss with a GM beforehand for approval, laying out the whole plan and discussing a viable way - after everything is settled (again, with OOC agreement from both the killed and the killer) just RP it out.

As for bar fights, if you want a bar fight, go for it.

If there's two drunkyards in booty bay punching each other in the face, the goblins are likely to drag them outside the bar and make people bet on who wins - because -that- is good for business. The moment weapons are drawn, the bruisers would move in and knock both out cold, stopping the fight and kicking the troublemakers out of town.

Those are my two cents. I'm no GM, I don't dictate how things roll. That's just how I think they could.


NOTE: A silent killing isn't killing someone out in the open. An assasination would happen at night, when the person is asleep, by poisoning food, through a poisoned bullet or arrow, and even a "hit-and-run" tatic would involve in basically waiting for the person to be in a tatically advantageable position, run towards them with weapon concealed, strike, run past towards the escape route. Those were tatics employed by medieval assassins, if I'm not mistaken. Most CotH Assassins I've met tend to resort to the "corner and reveal yourself" tatic, which is basically something that happens in games so the main hero won't be brutally murdered every time the villain sends a thug.

This is not a particular stab at anyone, by the by, especially since I don't remember any assassin characters I've ever met in particular. It's most a generalization from what I've seen with Callahan and Uthaniel around Booty Bay.

[Miah]

I would love to just go ahead and cause a barfight in the bay. But its honestly not worth the OOC raging and nagging you get for the slightest thing from fellow RPr's. I've tried, and the experience just put me off ever doing anything other than the usual tavern chatting with strangers RP. And that isn't really that fun. Also, the GM's have said before they diddnt want to keep having to get dragged into the bay to sort out these things. Only way this coud work is if there were a way to make sure everyone followed the rules, and could get kicked out of a bar without GM intervention. Say, if two people got into a fight, and could emote -themselves- getting thrown out. Wouldnt have to be specific to any bruisers. Just.

*X flails, cursing angrily, as a mass of bruisers take hold and, after much struggling, throw X on his face outside the tavern*

As long as people were mature about this, and both sides of any fight knew to throw themselves out by emote, I can't see the issue with this.

[BountyHunter]

Say, if two people got into a fight, and could emote -themselves- getting thrown out.

This. I've done this once before, just ask if there is anything wrong with it in General beforehand and go ahead. Personally though, I'd like to see the Bruisers laugh at a fight instead of go 'Ohmgosh!' and toss them right out the door.

[Miah]

Me too. But when I try that i generally get.

X looks nastilly at Y.
Y Rises to his feet, raising his fists.
1. [General] Z: OMG you can't fight Here! GUARDS! BRUISERS!
1. [General] Y: It's ok, we plan t-
Z Shouts for the Guards/bruisers.
1. [General] X: ...Bu-...
1. [General] Z: Right i'm getting a GM in!
X: <<
Y: >>

X and Y are perfectly capable of resolving a little thing like this through a few emotes, and then escorting themselves out of the bar. But there is always, -always-, without fail, seems to be someone ready to call in a GM the moment someone looks at someone else funny.

Im not saying there are not times when a GM needs to intervene. But 95% of the time its when OOC disputes happen, for IC ones, at least wait a little to see how it pan's out.

[BountyHunter]

I ask in General first beforehand. For an example, this is what happened to me, somewhat.

Me: If I hear that guy's voice one more time I'm going up there and punching him in the knee.
Guy: -Voice-
Me: Right! That's it!
[General - Me]: Mind if I go punch that guy and then get thrown out?
[General - Other]: Sure, go ahead.
Me: -Does so, gets bashed in the head by a bruiser and tossed out-

Makes sense, no?

[TwilightDisciple]

...Kinda disheartening there's this much red tape with what amounts to a spontaneous fistfight.

[Psychyn]

It's not like they are gonna hang around all the time. But yeah, I suppose it's the only option.
Multi-boxing ftw!

Naturally, that's the thing about PC's, they aren't always around. We could however, make it a structured time/day when the market is open and try to get as many PC's involved. Somewhat like a reoccuring event. When people see the fun, they might hang around the spot more and gain more interest in it.

I'm rolling my merchant tonight, if anyone's interested in guarding or starting a dirty price war, let me know! ^.^

[Jurkey]

I happen to have three accounts, so I could make 2 PC "guards" and make them stand there. I was thinking about doing it in Barrens, in an empty camp. There should be more PCs and we should give people CWs if they start fights inside of the inn area. The guards will only function as guards INSIDE the inn, they wouldn't care if people were outside.

Coriv and his guildies might go there and RP, and we hope that people will join along the way.

EDIT: Alright, I found a location near to Walling Caverns in the Barrens. Basically all we would need is for the 3 kolgars to be deleted, and add a port there. Would be neat if a content GM showed up and decorated the place a bit though, like, make a bar or something so a PC barkeep could be there.

Except for 1 kolgar which is close by, all the mobs are neutral.

[Wuvvums]

I think the centaur in the barrens are for questing, and we're trying to keep quest mobs intact and in their original place.

[Miah]

Sadly, Bounty, on the occasions I try that I get. "No, you can't. Bruisers wouldn't allow it", Usually From someone on the other side of they bay, who is completely uninvolved. If i go ahead and do it, I imagine i would get reported for breaking the rules, permission or not. Seems players are uncomfortably willing to report, or OOC rage at one another for things even when both players consent, such as things like this. So yeah, even if technically I could be allowed to do this, the OOC drama and nasty whispers isn't worth the little bit of IC fun. Id rather just stick to talking to strangers, or people watch the RP flirting and repetitive conversations, or sit on GMI, rather than any actual interesting drama happening through RP in places where players actually go. That or, sadly, go play something else for a while.

[McKnighter]

Heh.. Well. I remember Rogg kicked someone off the deck and into the water once. All the Bruiser did was bash his morning-star into Rogg's kneecap, and said "Cut it out."

Was totally worth it.

[Jurkey]

@Wuvums: Yeah, but I thought that the GMs could spawn these 3-4 kolgars somewhere close? There are plenty of these around the barrens, and won't be a problem to find.

[Roxas65]

Hehe. Abby once threw a bottle at somebody and then went outside the inn and threw a lantern into the cliff wall. she ended up being fined.