Conquest of the Horde

(05-21-2013, 05:20 PM)Jonoth Wrote: [ -> ]2- Embrace the individuality! You want Dwarf RP but a bunch of another race shows up? Show them a good time Dwarf style! This applies to any race. Take your character to the masses and show them why that type of RP can be fun! ThePharoah made a good point about meeting halfway as well, because it does provide a way for others to get to know the player, and ultimately can help get people interested in what you do.

For some odd reason, people know me for my dwarf. I haven't RPed him regularly since I've been here. Apparently there's this blue race of aliens that is fun to RP also. Dunno, thought I'd give them a try.

(05-21-2013, 05:20 PM)Jonoth Wrote: [ -> ]I do highly agree with one of Rensin's points about how event-centric RP has become. And the core of that is the feeling that RP is so scarce or closed off that people only show up if the things they want to RP is advertised with a bright glowing sign. I've especially noticed this coinciding with the "I'm not idling in game so poke me on skype" trend, which even further denotes how far unannounced RP has dropped.

Oh man I'm so guilty of this. I usually poke my friends before idling in-game. And what's worse? If that fails I usually go play my x-box or do something productive. Here's looking at you, laundry.

(05-21-2013, 05:20 PM)Jonoth Wrote: [ -> ]Also, stop making fun of people's character races. Your character's race has a silly dance just like everyone else.

(05-21-2013, 05:27 PM)alpharius Wrote: [ -> ]Since we're on these things...

What I've noticed is a disturbing trend of rude IC characters. It seems that if one player is going to be rude ICly, everyone jumps on that bandwagon and thinks "well hey they're doing it so can I!" which makes me wonder if at that point they're still playing their character. While I will say both of my main characters are not the shining examples of polite and friendly demeanor, both hating elves and humans respectively, I don't take it to a level of being a bully. Some RPs I've felt like this was the case.

Yes, I understand there is a clear separation of OOC and IC. However, on three separate occasions I've had this, and on all three occasions I've just wanted to up and leave because the RP is very uncomfortable and I just don't want to be there anymore. At some point there has to be some form of accountability. You should not be able to be a jerk and hide behind the excuse "but that's how my character is!" Well, one or two, sure, that's understandable, but an entire group is hard to believe. That falls under mob mentality, and that makes RP not fun when you've asked people to RP, get the RP started, and then you're singled out as a target for everyone to be ICly rude for whatever reason. It gets very uncomfortable to even want to start random RP because of a fear of that happening yet again. I wouldn't say this if I had it coming, I know the times I have it coming and think "Well that could have gone better" and rethink my characters behavior.

I have to say I don't agree with this at all, mostly because I've been in a large group of people that have had the other issue---single characters coming up and antagonizing us. When I used to head up the Grey Militia, it was always funny to me when someone would toss out a veiled threat to a character of mine when there was about five to six other players wearing the same tabard as me standing around. Was this person met with hostility? Darn skippy, because they had it coming.

On the other side, was when we were playing our "New Horde" centric Orcs, under the Goresight Vanguard. They didn't view the idea of cross faction -anything- as something that really fit the Horde, and saw it well within their right to challenge anyone who saw things differently, often with quite a bit of passion and anger.

Does this mean I feel this way OOCly? Does my "hate" extend beyond that? Not at all. Just, it doesn't make sense for me to have my character "Suddenly" be tolerant because people want us to be OOCly and ICly, which doesn't make a lick of sense. Communication is key, so talk to the person you are RPing with, and see if you can't work something out. Don't automatically assume they are a dick out of character too because you think your character is being treated unfairly.

What I'm saying is, be a little receptive on the other side too, don't just cry foul if interactions don't go your way.

(04-03-2013, 10:18 PM)Reigen Wrote: [ -> ]A good way to go about it is if someone asks you to stop, then stop. If no one says they're bothered by it, then its okay to crack a joke or two so long as they are just that, jokes. Spewing out bile however is something that shouldn't be done. For example, as I play belfs a lot.

"Are you sure you want to do that, you might break a nail." Thats fine, belfs really do give off that appearance. I would laugh.

"BELFS HAVE NO MEN, THEY SHOULD BE KICKED OUT OF THE HORDE." Thaaaats where I'd ask someone to knock it off.

But yeah, if no one acts bothered by it, it's all well and good, but the moment they ask you to stop you ought too.


...On that note...

Could I stop getting swarmed by 'LOL REIGEN IS SHORT' messages everything I log onto her? I get it, my scale is small. Really I do. ._.[This isn't directed at you, Kull.] Not getting swarmed in the OOC zone would be nice too, it makes me not want to hang around. You know, when I log in and suddenly everyone is around me and I'm having someone sit/stand on my character constantly. I'm noooot a big fan of that.

Reigen is that short? I'll have to make her Soul Calibur version shorter.

I arise from my slumber.

Yeah, being nagged at because you happen to like a certain type of RP isn't fun. At all. "Y U NO PLAY RACE X, THERE'S TOO MUCH Y". Really, it's immature to me. As a Blood Elf player, yeah, I'm displeased at the majority of Worgen, but there's also a lot of people who have been waiting for playable Worgen. I'm sure soon Goblins will hit hard then it will all level out. Patience. It's something I've forgotten myself.

Now back to being away. I got things to do.

I have yet to see this mysterious rise in Worgen and Goblin activity.

As in the regular RP sessions not prior to an event of any sort. I don't see them very often, my second thing is.. why are there so few Goblin Engineers?
It's a booming business.

To be honest it's not that there's one race dominating rp, more that sometimes there is absolutely no rp for Horde chars at times. Even if I can't find other goblins online I still like rping Wuvvums around other folks, but there's not much that can be done when all the rp is in Stormwind or closed/private.

I will admit I am one of the biggest offenders when it comes to OOC elf hate, and I am quite open with my disapproval of them in most cases. I know I have offended some people with it and I have even gone as far as to tell people who wanted to join my guild that I would not allow more elves to join until I had more of other races join. For that I want to apologize publicly.

If I am ever in an ooc area and I am picking on elves or making a statement about how I would love to see more of other races, I hope no one will take offense. It is not so much that I hate elves as much as it is I would love to see other races as well. There's hardly ever any orcs, tauren, or troll groups but there is always at least 2 or 3 elf horde groups and for someone like me who doesn't really enjoy the massive amount of elves but loves the horde it can be irritating. Especially when I would try to start horde rp and the only race that shows up are elves.

Would be nice to see more horde variety and not to come across as inflating my own head, but I would like to log in to horde rp sometimes and not have to create it.

Old Horde war-tribal guilds have been basically succesful each time a leader's kept up with them, is what I noticed.

(05-26-2013, 08:00 AM)DaveM Wrote: [ -> ]Old Horde war-tribal guilds have been basically succesful each time a leader's kept up with them, is what I noticed.

Most guilds are successful when events are run weekly. It's getting them off that dependency that's the tricky part.

Eh.

People here will never be happy with anything.

I've come to see COTH as a place where everybody is mad at everybody else for being mad at everything. Casual RP is dead. No one will do anything unless it's part of an "event."

Every time I hop online, I see a big cluster of folks OOC'ing about on GM Island.

Yes. I know the horse on this topic has been beaten, flogged, punched, kicked, set on fire, shot with a minigun, head-butted, chewed on, blown up with C4, and thrown onto a rocket ship headed right into the sun. But it really is the biggest problem ever, and why I don't take this server seriously anymore.

Everyone complains about the lack of RP while they sit around not RP'ing.

But, at the same time, if you try to start casual RP in some location, people don't budge to join it. I've been there. I've sent messages to LFG saying "anyone want to RP?" or "is there any RP open for my X to join?" and I've got nothing.

Why?

'cause eveeeeeeeerrryone wants to be the special snowflake major hero. And events let a player be the special snowflake major hero. Any RP that doesn't shine a spotlight on a character, any RP that doesn't give them a crowning moment of awesome, gets ignored.

But then, of course, this creates an oversaturation of events. An event gets announced and suddenly everybody and their mother, father, and family pet wants to join in. This makes it so the DM has to manage 20 some people for an event that's more tailored for 5 players, leading to long pauses in combat, confusion, limited action, and just general terribleness for everyone involved.

No one can manage 20 players. Hell, even 10 becomes problematic. What if you want to run an event where investigation is key? That means you're gonna have 10+ players running around doing the Monkey Island thing.

"Player B inspects the rubber chicken and the pamphlet on tax evasion. He rubs the chicken and the pamphlet together, trying to see what happens."

"Player A picks up a book of dwarven songs. He starts singing them in front of the giant statue of Rofupi, the most legendary gnome of all time, to see what happens."

"Player C starts drinking random bottles of shampoo. What happens?"

The DM has to answer all of these things, all at once. And is then probably forced to ignore a whole lot of other people. That's why everyone gets angry about certain players being able to drive the RP, while the rest are ignored.

So, yeah. Everyone gets mad about events, too.

I think the most difficult thing about this, and many other problems on COTH, is that there is no answer.

None. Nothing.

Nothing works. Nobody knows what to do. Nobody knows the solution, because nobody here knows what they want. There is nothing here anybody can do to really alleviate the problems everyone has about everyone being comfortably miserable here.

The GM's can't do anything. The players can't do anything. We can only deal with the endless cycle of COTH, and grab onto what little enjoyment we can.

Thus, we're set to continue this endless cycle of arguing, and bickering, and saying mean things about one another in the privacy of IM's while maintaining our various social facades and masks. Roman Senate full in effect.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=70GD2SBCq64

*Peers up at the flood of responses from her tiny post*

...Yeesh.

(05-26-2013, 08:35 AM)Krent Wrote: [ -> ]Nothing works. Nobody knows what to do. Nobody knows the solution, because nobody here knows what they want. There is nothing here anybody can do to really alleviate the problems everyone has about everyone being comfortably miserable here.

The GM's can't do anything. The players can't do anything. We can only deal with the endless cycle of COTH, and grab onto what little enjoyment we can.

Thus, we're set to continue this endless cycle of arguing, and bickering, and saying mean things about one another in the privacy of IM's while maintaining our various social facades and masks. Roman Senate full in effect.

If that is certainly the case than what I suggest is embrace the new people! I am a bit biased since I am new, but it is the truth. Even if that new person seems terribad and has an inflated sense of their character. Be kind to them, show them the ropes and GENTLY offer constructive criticism. Even some of the best RPers make ridiculous mistakes; give new people more of a chance. Slowly, the new blood will revitalize the old and things will open up again. New people always want open RP. So, if you want fresh, open RP, look to them.

I'm a little confused about the lack of casual rp. I've been able to get it all week and since Cata opened. The only time I can't get it is when an event is running. I can't vouch for what's going on all day every day on the server but I have been able to start up rp in obscure locations (like Feralas) and explore, and get some rp that lasts for hours. Some days I can't get neutral or Horde rp... but there's still casual rp to go to if I hop on an Alliance.

I feel like your rant is a little unfair, Krent. You're accusing people of not trying to make rp (or the server not able to hold rp) because everyone has a "special snowflake" mentality...

I hate to say this, but I kinda disagree, Krent. To what I've seen there's been a lot more casual rp since the switch to Cata, and in fact I've seen events being fairly scarce.

...I also don't wish to be that guy, but I honestly don't see you on-server too much, so I partly question how you're drawing these conclusions.

I can find casual RP all the time these days, if I want to participate in it. I suppose the only thing is that you gotta roll with how things are and make a character that fits the RP.