Conquest of the Horde

So, it can be stated, some people can find casual RP. It can also be stated, that some people cannot.

Personally speaking, you're right in my case too. I'm not on much, but part of the reason I'm not is because when I -personally- try to make some RP, or something that would pertain to the things I've set up, all the sudden interest lies in different areas--- such as Worgen.

I think what you're missing, Rigley, is that everyone was talking about more the death of Horde RP, and the over-saturation of specific races.

Krent was saying that "Casual RP is dead", and to a degree he's correct. Can you join as you are in most RP's available? Or do you have to have a character made that's suited for said RP? Can you hop on and do crossfaction, or are you limited to having a worgen character because that's what the flavor on CoTH is right now?

Are people not being honest about Horde RP?

If they are saying the truth, then -yes-, casual RP is suffering. Specific RP, specific characters, specific races, and specific factions are flourishing. There may not be as many events, but speaking as someone that's led a guild and watched it fall apart because -none- of the thirty some people that were in my guild could handle me being away for some time couldn't come up with anything to do outside of my events.



It's funny too, because even though that stuff happened and I haven't done anything with my guild in a long while--- noone that was in it has even bothered asking me questions. It's so hard to create RP here, especially if you want to head a guild, because it's so dependent on you being able to puppet master almost weekly or more.

I haven't been around as much as some of you. But every time I'm on? It's hard as hell to get anything going.

I feel the same way.

I think the problem is more that others do not. I'll probably stop being bitter and get on, and see if anyone who was in the militia would like to make some plans with me.

Hmmm...

Yeah, I've been able to get into most of the RP that goes on. Heck, I really only have been doing it on two characters-- one for Horde interaction, one for Alliance, both able to go neutral. I've even had my alliance character hanging out with worgen crowds. I haven't found it that hard.

I... don't know. I feel its getting a bit nit-picky if 'casual RP is suffering' because specific things aren't. Even on Retail you can say that certain stuff is flourishing while others are down without steam. There will -always- be that problem. I don't believe it has anything to do with CotH, it's just what people want to play. And right now people like worgen (though to be honest, I don't see worgen crowds overly often). Its what will happen on CotH and every single roleplay community- something gets popular, people go with it, other people dislike the popular crowd.


And, being wholly honest-- I don't feel that Gray Militia is a good standing point to base this sort of thing.

Don't get me wrong. I loved the militia. At the same time, a mercenary guild is something that -needs- momentum through some sort of goal. We had some events, and then a dry spell for a long while. Nowhere during that was there really any direction beyond 'be mercenaries', and I will point out again that even on retail where there's -plenty- to do aside from RP, a guild needs more than just a theme to keep steam and keep running.

No, it was not your fault that the militia lost its steam. People should be able to take breaks, etc. At the same time, you can't blame that on the people that were in the guild, or on the server's uh... mindset, or so forth. If anything I think it failed since there was an initial high that didn't really carry over; it started fairly big, then just sorta... existed. And there's nothing wrong with that, but generally it existed by perching around the guild lead that ended up not being there for a large chunk of time.

Again, not trying to call you down on this.

I think everyone here is talking past one another. There has been casual RP, but almost all of it has been Alliance. And this is nothing new, Allies have always had more casual RP than Hordies ever since the beginnings of the server, so this isn't unusual.

And there's no solution. People have tried drumming up Horde RP before, and often they succeed in a short-term measure, but nothing keeps people around long-term or keeps them interested in casual RP. I don't mean to be fatalistic about it, but it's been this way for years now, I don't think it's going to change anytime soon. We get the occasional resurgence, but that's about it. Sometimes you can get one or two people interested in off-hours, but that leads to rather limited RP (personally, I tend to find one-on-one RP rather dull unless you're doing something specific with it, like an adventure or romance plot.)

Know what I miss? Booty Bay RP. It was neutral and even if the majority were on Alliance races, Hordies could still hop in to get RP. It seems lately all the RP is either faction-specific or race-specific, and it really hurts the people playing unpopular races, especially the Kalimdor Horde ones. Alliance RP is a bit better in that regard, as the Alliance is unified enough where you can put a draenei or nelf in Stormwind and most won't question it, while the Horde is fractured enough where it can be hard coming up with reasons for orcs to show up in Silvermoon even when there is RP there. Which is still less consistent than Alliance RP.

I thought the important thing to take from this thread was that you should take every race seriously because the people behind those characters are serious about what they're doing.

Right now, I think that the server in general is treating every race with enough respect from what I've seen in OOC. I know jokes can get annoying, but they'll never end. The real problem, as I've stated before, is when people don't take a race seriously. When a race isn't often played because of lore conflict reasons...okay. When a race isn't played because people aren't taking it seriously...not okay. I could echo my rant about how many players treat Gnomes, but I'm not going to do that.

Right now, a lot of talk is not about how people accept races OOCly, but we're talking about where RP is and where it ought to be. I'm not sure that was the intended direction for this thread, but since we're in that area of conversation... The server's RP concentration always shifts around to whatever is most popular. A player has a few options to deal with this: adjust his own RP to fit into the server, try his best to create RP where he wants to see it (if he has time), or step back and take a breather. I know it's hard for everyone to be pleased when we all have our own favorite races, but we have to understand that there are 12 races and a not-so-big server population.

tl;dr: Tired of not seeing enough RP within your favorite race/class? The server population isn't big enough for the many RP options in the WoW world to be satisfied.

(05-26-2013, 02:10 PM)Geoni Wrote: [ -> ]Right now, a lot of talk is not about how people accept races OOCly, but we're talking about where RP is and where it ought to be. I'm not sure that was the intended direction for this thread

It's relevant. A lot of the reason certain races get derision is because they are popular. The point is essentially "Yeah, but can you blame people for being resentful when their own favorite race gets no RP?"

Of course, a problem can arise with how that resentment is expressed.

Not saying it was a bad direction for the thread to go in. It certainly is relevant, and a standing issue.

However, there's enough logic to argue that the reason that every player can't be pleased is due to a lower population.

(05-26-2013, 02:17 PM)Grakor456 Wrote: [ -> ]The point is essentially "Yeah, but can you blame people for being resentful when their own favorite race gets no RP?"

Of course, a problem can arise with how that resentment is expressed.

Even though I myself have turned into a more flexible RPer, I can empathize with this resentment. However, I agree with what Pharaoh was saying about creating RP where you want to see it, and that it's been successfully done before. But I also understand that not everyone has the time to do that. It's a qualm that a player has to find a way to deal with personally.

I used to only want Tauren RP when I started here, yet I didn't have enough time and ideas to start up a guild or event chain for them. My own way of dealing with this was to be more flexible and play different races. It was either that, or I wouldn't have stayed here on CotH. I'm not saying that a player who has this resentment should push his or herself to be more flexible, but it's one of the ways that the resentment can be resolved. I'm sure there are other ways.

This is not the thread where we grief elves for our unexplained yet utter dislike for the race as a whole? My apologies for the disturbance, I shall be leaving now... ;p

Actually I was mostly curious that this topic is still going at a not to shabby fifteen pages. Has the "this" that bothers us changed any since page one? I generally stay away from such threads given that my opinions are better saved for barrens or Skype but I am curious as to whether this has morphed into a debate over a deeper issue or if we're still just mad that they made all the male blood elf models look like ladies and "some of us" can't help but giggle. I'm certainly not reading all of this rabble. How's bout some highlights and cliff notes.

I can't help but wonder why everyone is whining - I never run into the issues you describe with the lack of RP and all. Its true I stray away from guild RP though.

I will roll an old Horde character though. c:

Bumping this again.

Worgen again are the target of "You should play something other than a worgen!", and it seems like they are a target because of the low server population. Along with this are an influx of people decrying against private or secluded RP, something that the guild I'm in would do regardless of what the server population looked like. We understand that it's not 100% welcoming to everyone that's on at the time, but it's just kinda how we've got it running. It's really our choice what we play, and whether or not it's open to others or not.

Sorry guys, but we aren't doing this to disrespect you, however it is pretty disrespectful to us to think we owe it to everyone to be their source of RP. *Shrugs*

At this point I don't think its "Stop playing x race! We need race rp too!" but more of "Stop rping in places no one else can join all the time! You're the only rp on!" Which happens a lot. A lot a lot. Part of the reasons some people have poofed from the server. As one of those people that find it hard to rp these days it kinda sucks to see four or five people in a closed rp and you're the only one not in it.

Everyone is entitled to rp as they want, with who they want, and how they want. But it doesn't change how much it just stinks to be alone now and then.

(09-23-2013, 03:55 PM)Kage Wrote: [ -> ]At this point I don't think its "Stop playing x race! We need race rp too!" but more of "Stop rping in places no one else can join all the time! You're the only rp on!" Which happens a lot. A lot a lot. Part of the reasons some people have poofed from the server. As one of those people that find it hard to rp these days it kinda sucks to see four or five people in a closed rp and you're the only one not in it.

Everyone is entitled to rp as they want, with who they want, and how they want. But it doesn't change how much it just stinks to be alone now and then.

I think we've gotten over this elf supremacist / elf intolerance thing.

(09-23-2013, 04:04 PM)Nymus Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-23-2013, 03:55 PM)Kage Wrote: [ -> ]At this point I don't think its "Stop playing x race! We need race rp too!" but more of "Stop rping in places no one else can join all the time! You're the only rp on!" Which happens a lot. A lot a lot. Part of the reasons some people have poofed from the server. As one of those people that find it hard to rp these days it kinda sucks to see four or five people in a closed rp and you're the only one not in it.

Everyone is entitled to rp as they want, with who they want, and how they want. But it doesn't change how much it just stinks to be alone now and then.

I think we've gotten over this elf supremacist / elf intolerance thing.

Read Harmonics post above mine nub. I wasn't the one to bring it back.

Ah, nuts! Sorry about that.

Directing that necro picture towards Harmonic. 3:<

EDIT: My nubliness has shone through again. Seems it is relevant. God I'm stupid