Conquest of the Horde

Ben Wrote:Have you no FAITH in your fellow RPers.

No, in fact. No I do not.

That makes me sound like a cynical bastard, but one of the first things you learn as both a GM and a moderator is that you can't just give faith to a mass of people. They'll always betray it.

Well Grakor, the first thing I think would need to be restrictions. Grunt only, approved profile only, things like this? This would have no effect on the lore of the world, that also needs to be in the rules.

I'm an optimist :P And part of this, for me, is a trust in everyone I meet to not screw me over. Generally they don't. Today I was screwed over by a guy who I thought was my mate, but my philosphhy stands personally.

I mentioned a potential solution to the situation arrising. It may be crude, but possibly effective ^^

Aphetoros Wrote:Well Grakor, the first thing I think would need to be restrictions. Grunt only, approved profile only, things like this? This would have no effect on the lore of the world, that also needs to be in the rules.

First, few people will take profiled chars into a dangerous area. People treat their profiled chars like their babies. And if it's just for grunts, who'll keep track? no.

I'm like Grak there; I have no faith in the community to behave.
People are going to abuse and exploit the system.

As for Grunts, they can be just as bad or even worse than Peons.
They feel they know how it goes and can call the shots instead of just reminding people of rules.

This has nothing to do with the idea being bad, just the fact that the players can't be trusted.
Of course this doesn't apply to all players. I have seen many fair and responsible members on CotH.

I'll just toss my two cents in here:

I completely understand where Grak is coming from here. I don't have faith in our RP'ers here on CotH because of one thing: No matter how much you guys say that things won't smash into the fan-blades, there have been many before you who have said the same, and have had their projects do just that. We go into things expecting there to be little to no drama, and come out with drama everywhere. It's unexpected, and it only takes one person to start. Just because you and your group are fine with something, doesn't mean that there won't ever be someone who doesn't agree, and that one someone can be pretty vocal about their problems.

I honestly don't care if I sound like a cynic or not, because I'm fairly certain I -am- a cynic in this case. I've seen plenty of examples of people going into an RP saying that there won't be a problem and coming out having issues with the end result. The best intentions can turn into a total storm of rage and whatnot.

Conflict RP is great, but it'd be nice if we could get a sufficient amount out there without trying to force a random place to fit the bill.

That really seemed to be all over the place, but hey. I got my two cents in.

I only have one little issue with the idea that this plan is flawed, because there are people on the server who will abuse the system, act like an idiot, and cause ooc drama. Its the fact that this idea isn't flawed in theory, but if there are people like that who have passed the introduction, then..they shouldn't have. Simply put, if people have got onto the server and start to spoil the RP for others or strive to cause OOC conflict, shouldn't they be dealt with, rather than restricting the ideas of the server to compensate for the fact that they are there?

Makes me sad that this may not get off the ground, because we don't, as a whole, rather than individuals, seem to feel mature enough to handle it, despite the majority of people being good and mature enough role-players to manage it. Drama or not, the fun of many shouldn't be restricted by the immaturity or the tendency to cause OOC drama of a small few.

Sorry if I sound ranty or if I offended anyone, just makes me sad is all.

It's sad that enough of our playerbase isn't mature enough to handle an area like this. But think about it, this would actually be a cool thing, and as many of us know, every good rpg has something of the sort. Maybe not completely lawless, but very, very shady. Where all the poison vendors and such go. My vote is just to make a small camp off the side of a road somewhere in a neutral area, it would be simple. Just a few tents and a makeshift outdoor bar or something, with some rugged tables and chairs. That would be very cool. This way it won't be a huge deal, it'll just be a small meeting area for Assassins and the like, to partake in shady dealings and such. Seeing as it would be so simple to create, come Cataclysm we could simply remove the few things that are there before upgrading, and if they will get deleted automatically with the upgrade then no worries haha. I think most of us can handle something this small... If not then we have some serious issues. I don't know, I would love to see something like this happen, even if it is tiny. Seeing as I have a few chars that could use this area from time to time. I'm sure we all do.

Fun fact: There's actually a camp that has been placed in the barrens and I think one in Durotar as well for rp. There aren't portals for them yet, however.

Why don't we at least test to see if the playerbase -can- handle it.

Where in the Barrens? Like what direction is it from Ratchet?

Sweet mother. Fifty votes from fifty individuals to found this town.

I'm one for the 'Maybe' option, but maybe we should let these people found their little bundle of anarchy in the name of watching it burn out like a star most brilliant.

Lost, you are so cool. All of your sentences are florid to the point of instantaneously bursting.

To the point. I'm ambiguous on the matter, really. Grakor has brought up excellent points, yet it seems like an enjoyable RP experience. Whichever direction this goes (which, despite the hefty counter-arguments, seems sloped in favor of those wanting said town) I'll go along with it just fine.

I'm not exactly sure where, but I heard there will be portals to the camps eventually.

It could be interesting. Not that we don't already have 'lawless' areas. Outlands, tanaris desert, other barren places could really be considered lawless, atleast away from townships.