Conquest of the Horde

*Walks into the conversation, mug of beer clenched in my fist. I glare at you with eyes like red suns.*

You want my brutal honesty?!

TOO MANY DAMN ELVES! TOO MANY!

*Takes a couple of steps forward, swaying*

TRY'N BE ALL PRETTY AND LEGOLASH- PURTY LEEEEELLL FAIRRREIESSS

*Takes another drink as his speech becomes more slurred.*

I WANNa...I wanna....uegnhpks;/f....I WANNA SHEES SOME REALLL HORDE...OR 'LLIANCE!!

LIKE ORCSEES OR TAURRRRNNNEE

Was wrong wit dem gnomes?

Leetle tiny tings..

THISH IS CONQUEEST OFFFA THE HORDE-A!!!


Not rise of the Hiar dresserrrsnandljsm, dssss...*Thud*


...zzzzzzzzzz....

*Finally seems to pass out from mix of liver failure and alcohol poisoning.*

I believe this thread is slowly starting to run out of steam.

Oh, I'm sure there's plenty left.

Anski Wrote:I believe this thread is slowly starting to run out of steam.

Agreed.

I feel my last point, though in drunken rage, was completely valid!

Actually... I have a situation I'd like to address later. I'm not able to type much at the time, so I'm putting it off a little. It highlights something which I feel is a problem.

In many places of life, there's always several problems (Nothing is perfect, like many have said before me). As humans, we're all very different in the way we see things. I like the idea that everyone can be straight forward with their problems, but I, personally, think that sending in PMs about any problems to GMs would've been a better way to go about this. There have been threads in the past years similar to this one, where GMs, and/or admins, ask the player-base for their opinions on large issues. Often times, the threads seem to start more 'drama' on their own then the issues at hand.

I do like the idea of being honest about how you think the server can progress. When every concern is thrown into one thread though, not all points get across to those who should be seeing them and are often flooded by other concerns. Several GMs have had good ideas about PMing issues to them instead of bringing them out publicly. Other players, though, have mentioned that there's an underlying fear of the GMs in a small deal of us. We've all, the majority of us, have been there. If we should have a problem, though, we really shouldn't hold it all in until a thread like this is made and add to the long list that usually forms. I believe we should try to combat this 'fear' and be open with our problems.

I know most GMs are always open to concerns, but if you're scared of any one GM, then maybe send a PM to an Administrator. Kretol and Grakor have always been there to help the server progress, and who else would be more willing to take concerns into consideration then the people who run the server, themselves? It's a large step for a lot of us: but if we are more open about our problems as soon as we may encounter them, it might alleviate some of the stress caused by threads like this one where we get a large pile-up of concerns and issues. (Example If the concern is about favoritism in GM, send your concerns to an Administrator.

It may be just me, but I don't like having these large threads with tons of complaints and concerns piled on top of each other. I do like the 'policy of truth', but be truthful to those who can help you.

On another note: the best paths to take are often the non-radical ones. Don't be too lenient, but don't be too 'anal'. Finding a medium is hard, but that's most things in life, sadly. :?

I only have one message to CotH, it's members and It's staff...

Don't worry About a thing, Because every little thing, Is gonna be alright...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LanCLS_hIo4[/youtube]

Edit: I dare someone to either re read this entire topic with the song playing, or simply post while the song is playing... You know you want to.

All right, now that I have a little time...

Anyhow. I'd meant to leave this by the wayside when it happened (partially because I didn't recognize the GMs involved, and partially because it was impossible to catch in the act), but I feel perhaps it's time to share some more personal grievances. This one is probably the most infuriating of all to me.

Around Halloween, Flammos200 and I were roleplaying Lene and Arlyn having their Halloween festivities. We decided to move off to a secluded part of Eversong (West Sanctum) since it was private rp, and we didn't want it to be in Silvermoon to keep it from being disrupted. It was very clearly between two people, and not open to others.

I checked Account Management and Player Map because I was getting a very odd feeling ... and saw that multiple GMs were standing inside/next to West Sanctum while invisible. None of them had any IC reason to be there, nor did they even reveal their presence. Fel, they never even got permission to watch.

In the words of Grakor:

Grakor Wrote:To make something clear, if you want to go OOC and watch someone else's RP without being there ICly, you must first obtain the permission of all parties involved. You also cannot be in stealth without express permission (otherwise, if you're stealthed you're assumed to be IC.) We don't want players feeling uncomfortable to continue RP, and we don't want players spying on one another OOCly.

Punishment for just walking up and watching RP without permission is the same as harassment, as that is exactly what it is.

They continued to stand there even after we stopped emoting, and were panicking in /p chat. I whispered one of them to ask why they he was there, and I was told that our characters had been used as an anchor point to teleport to Eversong Woods. For three GMs. Who were all standing there in the exact area, and stayed there for several minutes - only leaving after I spoke to one of them.
Within several minutes, they had all cleared out.

We were whispered not long after by McKnighter, who told us that a certain GM had mentioned the abnormal flagRSPs we both have, and that those present in Vent were making fun of us for it. Specifically, the strangely-colored eyes both characters have, which are legitimate and were obtained during our IC prestige storyline. Anyhow, McKnighter told the denizens of Vent the information, and they stopped. Massive numbers of kudos to him.


There. I think there are a lot of things wrong with this scenario. First of all, GMs were ignoring several very basic rules of the server: to not watch people without permission, and to show respect to others. I could understand it if people in the area wandered over, or a friend got curious and stealthed up on us to see what we were doing, but GMs? They're supposed to know better. Furthermore, to use the GM commands as a way to spy on other people during private RP is nothing short of rank abuse.

Then, instead of possibly asking why we had the odd flagRSP profiles (which we would have been glad to tell the people on Vent), at least one GM was either encouraging others to make fun of us, or letting disrespectful slander slide. The GMs were the only ones present in the area. I find it a little too much coincidence that some normal player would just happen to look up our profiles at the exact same time we were being watched.
Finally, they lied to us, which I found most objectionable of all.


I'd like to make something perfectly clear here. I'm willing to make up, or forget it ever happened. But since the OP requested brutal honesty, that's what I'm delivering. Why didn't I post this before? Because it was nigh impossible to get conclusive evidence - and without it, I'm not sure if anyone will believe me. If you'd like more verification, feel free to whisper myself, Flammos200, or McKnighter (maybe not him, since he's on hiatus.) And I'm not giving out the names of the GMs. You know who you are and that's what matters to me now.

Whew... I feel a lot better for having finally said this.

Edit: I was thinking of it as more of a RP guideline violation than a Vent issue.

To be 'brutally honest', we tend to poke fun at things we find odd on vent.

It's all in good humor though. Generally the process is.

Someone: "Yo, this crazy cat's really crack-a-lackin'. Ya better check this shizzle out, home dog!"
Other: "Right, my home skillet. I shall inspect yo inquiry and see what yo are speakin' 'bout. Peace!"

Some time passes.

Other: "Yo yo yo homeboy. This -is- kinda crazy even for a cat like that."
Yet another: "What's goin' down in the doghouse, yo?"

Discussion begins.

Light hearted humor springs up.

Really, I suggest you come onto vent and join in the fun. As stated, it tends to be in good humor. (Because if it's not, the problem is brought up with the person in question).

Regardless. I would like to also state that vent is an -excellent- way to get a GM's attention. Really.

Get on it. It's good fun.

Etmosril Wrote:Stuff.

Let's try not to take my words out of context. GMs have to be able to observe RP, without announcing their presence, in order to do their job. One of our jobs, after all, is to find players doing things they shouldn't and correct them, and we can't do that if we have to loudly announce where we're going at every moment.

That said, mocking someone else on the vent isn't a good thing. Though, I'd admit I've had my own laughs on vent when someone is *very obviously* engaging in ERP in the oddest locations. Doesn't make it okay, of course.

And, in my opinion, it doesn't make it okay for three GMs to hover around a private/personal RP for several plus minutes in the name of 'doing their job'. There's a massive, exponential, unbelievable difference between looking in /who and making a witty remark about two people in the same zone, and secretly standing next to two people while invisible.

So in other words, GMs shouldn't be able to quietly moderate RP? For what reason?