Conquest of the Horde

Mitsuki, they don't have to become GMs in the first place if they don't want the work. That's what I'm saying.

Of COURSE it's a stressful job.

Of COURSE it's a nearly thankless job.

Of COURSE you get harassed by stupid and needy people on a daily basis.

It's a VOLUNTEER position, but on CotH it's treated like an honor that comes with all sorts of titles and privileges, and that's just WRONG. If they sent me the PM today asking me if I wanted to be a GM, I would say no. I don't want to deal with it. I like being a player. It's extremely difficult to be both successfully.

And don't try to tell me bronze tokens and leveling people counts as WORK. I know how to use commands. It take four. Seconds. Of typing. Leveling people doesn't make someone a GM. Approving profiles doesn't make someone a GM. It's putting other people's RP above your own, for the good of the server.

It is, in somewhat a honour. You have proved to be reliable, a awesome addition to the community and have done numerous things. Or at least, that's how I see the GM position.

You started off as player, and in time proved yourself and your good will to aid this community and to make it better. Sure they have privileges, such as additional commands and such but I do believe it is assumed that the player who is invited, has enough time to both RP and GM around.

As far as tokens and leveling, I honestly can not judge so I will not. They do have a lot of additional work apart from that, such as profiles, the storylines people expect from them, maintaining the forums and probably more. I think it is that additional work with presumably other tasks, what separates GMs from players. Perhaps we disagree on this, I just believe GMs should still have plenty of time to RP despite being a GM.

Edit: Perhaps the task is at times underestimated? I've never seen a true post of what GMs either do or should do on a daily base, is that send alongside the invitational PM?

Quote:And don't try to tell me bronze tokens and leveling people counts as WORK. I know how to use commands. It take four. Seconds. Of typing.

Four seconds of typing. Appearing to the player to trade the token. Appearing back to whoever I was roleplaying with and apologizing for the interruption. You're right. Bronze Tokens are easy. Grunt Punts? We don't just type a command and we're done. We need to check the profiles, the wiki, and ensure that you're not trying to scam us by deleting an already leveled character, remaking them and requesting a fresh grunt punt.

It may not be 'omgthisissohard' work, but it is work. And it's just a small part of our work.

If it's hard work, don't do it. You're not required to do a volunteer job.

If one more GM uses the fact that it's hard work as an argument... Challenge: Step down.

Quote:If it's hard work, don't do it.

Quote:It may not be 'omgthisissohard' work, but it is work.

Quote:And it's just a small part of our work.

Huh?

Terant Wrote:If it's hard work, don't do it. You're not required to do a volunteer job.

If one more GM uses the fact that it's hard work as an argument... Challenge: Step down.

*Changes 'Hard' to 'Too much'*

I think it's rather unfair to say that just because something is a volunteer job, no one should complain if the work is hard. Volunteers, too, are only human, and also have their personal wants and needs to fulfill along with their GM duties. In fact, one should be grateful that someone is doing their best while volunteering and putting up with the stress and time to help out with the server.

Actually, it's completely fair. They're acting like they HAVE to do it! They don't! Of course I'm grateful that they do it. It's a hell of a lot of work. Sometimes it's hard work. But if someone is complaining about that work, they have the right to NOT DO IT and NOT BE A GM.

"GMs should sacrifice absolutely everything in the name of my entertainment and expect no thanks or support from the players they serve. They shouldn't be considered special, or otherwise important in any way despite the free-time they spend in the service of others."

"Well, would you ever be willing to do the job, as you describe it?"

"Oh god no, I just think other people should be required to do it, or else step down immediately so the responsibility can fall to someone else, as long as it isn't me."

"What about when that regimen inevitably drives everyone who was initially willing to do the job into the ground?"

"..."

I don't even we know where this came up from to be honest. I don't recall any GMs stating that their work was too hard.

I was originally only addressing to you that players assumptions of what GM work entails, and what GMs actually have to do, are a little off. We don't just do things willy nilly. We need to moderate ourselves as well.

Honestly, it's not even the GMs complaining about the work. It's the players who say "The GMs do a lot of hard work" as a defense against anyone's concerns on the server.

Once again, GMs are human, and sometimes humans need to vent, even if the work is something they willingly took on. And I do think they have grounds to complain if and when they do a lot of work, and the feedback from other players is that they should work more, and put all of the GM duties before their rp duties on the server. I don't think we'd have a GM team if they weren't allowed to get their stuff done because they'd have to put the GM work first.

But players don't speak for GMs, mang. D:

Yes yes... But they still speak!